WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.660 Hello to everyone listening. It's me again, Olga Chekoy, with my podcast Women's Club, 00:00:12.660 --> 00:00:18.300 for any modern woman. This is where we talk about the things that actually matter 00:00:18.300 --> 00:00:24.360 and interview the best experts in Vancouver. And today Oxana Kirsanova is with us: 00:00:24.360 --> 00:00:32.920 founder of Yoga Bar, a yoga and fitness studio named best business in Canada two years running by the Canadian Business Bureau. 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:43.980 She is also founder and CEO of Sea to Sky Wellness Club, named best business in Canada three years running by the Canadian Business Review Board. 00:00:43.980 --> 00:00:49.160 Oxana runs international retreats devoted to psychedelic wellbeing. 00:00:49.160 --> 00:00:55.940 She is a certified psychedelic-assisted therapy practitioner and a specialist in psychedelic care. 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:03.180 In 2022 she was named one of North America's top professionals by Winner Magazine, 00:01:03.720 --> 00:01:11.360 and she made the New York Journal's list of 30 most inspiring women to know in 2025. 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:17.060 Honestly, I'm stunned. Who exactly is sitting with me at this beautiful table? 00:01:17.060 --> 00:01:22.940 I'd happily ask you a million questions just as a businesswoman. 00:01:22.940 --> 00:01:31.280 But today Oxana and I are talking about microdosing, and answering every question we've got. So first of all — hello. 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:36.900 Hi Olya, and thank you so much for inviting me and giving me this chance 00:01:36.900 --> 00:01:44.620 to step a little outside my comfort zone, because talking about psychedelics in Russian 00:01:44.620 --> 00:01:50.420 is not that easy. But I'm here today for you, for all our listeners. 00:01:50.980 --> 00:01:54.620 And I'll try to share everything I know. Thank you. 00:01:55.180 --> 00:02:01.700 I'm so glad you came. And I'll try to stay on one topic, 00:02:01.860 --> 00:02:07.820 because there really are a lot of questions. When we were planning this podcast, 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.340 I had one idea in my head about what microdosing was. 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:30.960 And once we started talking before we recorded, I realised it's a completely different story. But let me not run ahead with my questions — let's start at the beginning. What is microdosing, what are psychedelics. Let's start there. 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:36.840 Yes, there are a lot of questions on this subject. I understand — I was there too. 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:44.940 Many years ago I knew just as little. And I probably thought what most people think: 00:02:44.940 --> 00:02:53.200 that these are drugs, that you shouldn't touch them. But I'd like to start with a disclaimer. 00:02:53.200 --> 00:02:58.540 Everything I share today — and I say this to everyone — 00:02:58.540 --> 00:03:05.680 take only what actually makes sense to you. 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:11.180 Nothing you hear today is medical advice. 00:03:11.340 --> 00:03:15.520 I'm not a doctor. I'm a certified psychedelic therapy practitioner. 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:24.620 Your own judgement still applies, and if you have any health conditions, 00:03:24.920 --> 00:03:27.240 all of this has to be discussed with your doctor. 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:44.960 Everything I say today has one purpose: education about psychedelics. There are so many myths around this subject, and today we want to clear them up. 00:03:44.960 --> 00:04:02.580 So what are psychedelics and how do they work? Psychedelics are a class of substances that change perception and thought processes. They interact with serotonin receptors in the brain, which produces changes in consciousness. 00:04:02.580 --> 00:04:10.760 Probably the main thing about psychedelics is that they help you see the world, and yourself, from a new perspective. 00:04:10.760 --> 00:04:18.120 You get access to the subconscious. Normally, when we're awake, the subconscious part 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:26.740 of the brain isn't available to us. Here you get access to it, and to deep layers of memory and emotion. 00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:35.240 It's like an express ticket. A bit like hypnosis. 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:43.060 Is that right — when we're in very deep sleep and images start coming from the past? Absolutely, yes. 00:04:43.060 --> 00:04:50.620 It's a very similar thing. There are different kinds of psychedelics. Psilocybin, which is what we'll be 00:04:50.620 --> 00:04:58.760 going into more deeply today. LSD and MDMA — those are synthetic substances. 00:04:58.760 --> 00:05:06.520 I don't work with them; I'm not certified to. Although at school we were taught how they work, 00:05:07.020 --> 00:05:14.640 how they interact, what effect they have on the brain. Ayahuasca is a traditional South American 00:05:14.640 --> 00:05:20.340 brew, often used in shamanic ceremonies for healing and spiritual growth. 00:05:20.760 --> 00:05:27.660 But today we're only talking about psilocybin, which is what's in magic mushrooms. 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:36.740 Each psychedelic works differently. Psilocybin expands perception, 00:05:36.820 --> 00:05:45.760 it acts on serotonin receptors. Ayahuasca works a little differently. But personally, 00:05:45.760 --> 00:05:54.540 my work — I'm someone with twenty years in the wellness industry — 00:05:54.540 --> 00:06:02.380 it isn't my passion to work with something 00:06:02.380 --> 00:06:06.340 made in a laboratory. I lean more towards— 00:06:06.340 --> 00:06:11.900 Sorry, let me interrupt. In my head LSD was always something narcotic, no? 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:20.520 Isn't it classed as a narcotic? Well, in 1960 all of these were placed 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:28.760 in the Controlled Substances Act. They were all put on the Schedule I list under the controlled substances law. 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:36.740 So LSD, magic mushrooms, ayahuasca — all of it counts as an illegal drug. 00:06:36.820 --> 00:06:44.480 But it's important to explain to people why that happened and how— 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:50.320 We'll go a bit deeper into that, so people understand why it was done and what for. 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:57.800 Okay, good. Let's carry on then. So we're staying with magic mushrooms — or, as you said, wonder mushrooms? 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:02.880 Wonder mushrooms. Wonder mushrooms. Tell us what they're used for. 00:07:03.020 --> 00:07:07.020 We'll leave the rest aside and focus on the mushrooms. 00:07:07.140 --> 00:07:11.860 What are they used for? Well, magic mushrooms, wonder mushrooms — 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:19.260 I only support their use in therapy. Because when I announced 00:07:19.900 --> 00:07:28.060 that we'd be doing this podcast, and that we'd be running an event together on microdosing, 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:36.640 a lot of sceptical questions came in. Wow, this is beyond the pale, that kind of thing. And again, I want 00:07:36.640 --> 00:07:44.900 to say what I worked out for myself about mushrooms: there's recreational use — not drugs, 00:07:44.900 --> 00:07:52.980 recreational use, as you put it — and there's therapy. Today we are not talking about the mushrooms you can go and 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:58.280 buy on Hastings Street, take, and then go watch Avatar. 00:07:58.620 --> 00:08:06.880 We're talking about them for healing, for therapy. Is that right? Yes, and I also want to say 00:08:07.020 --> 00:08:14.120 that I don't support recreational use. Plant medicine as a whole — 00:08:14.820 --> 00:08:23.220 these healing plants were handed to us thousands of years ago. 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:29.700 They were passed down for work: to heal physical ailments, 00:08:29.820 --> 00:08:32.660 to grow spiritually, to develop. 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:39.980 This is not something I'd recommend taking on recreational occasions. 00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:45.580 It's a medicine, and there is a great deal of wisdom in this medicine. 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:53.020 So I take all of it very seriously, and I only work as a therapist, 00:08:53.420 --> 00:09:01.460 and we only use it for therapy. That was important to say, so that our listeners, and the people coming to our event, 00:09:01.520 --> 00:09:06.660 don't get the wrong idea — that they'll turn up and take mushrooms together in a group. 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:13.740 That's not what this is. It will all be very gentle and closely supervised. 00:09:14.260 --> 00:09:20.160 A hundred percent. Yes. So — what are psychedelics used for? 00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:35.940 What for? Well, my clients — I mostly work in therapy, and therapy can look very different. Some people come with an addiction, to cannabis, say, or to alcohol. 00:09:35.940 --> 00:09:41.240 Some carry trauma from childhood that was never worked through. 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.040 Very often we see sexual trauma that happened in childhood, 00:09:46.040 --> 00:09:51.040 and people aren't even aware of it, because in order to keep living, 00:09:51.040 --> 00:09:59.860 when trauma happens your brain closes that memory off and pushes it far down into the subconscious, where we have no access to it. 00:09:59.860 --> 00:10:03.420 And many people don't understand what is happening to them. 00:10:03.420 --> 00:10:12.820 That trauma — when we work with psilocybin, we bring it up, it comes to the surface, and we work with it. 00:10:12.820 --> 00:10:42.800 A lot of my clients come working with post-traumatic stress disorder, a great many of them. And of course spiritual growth — people who feel lost, looking for something new, looking to connect with spirit, with their own development, looking for 00:10:42.820 --> 00:10:51.640 answers. A lot of clients come to me and say, I want to know the answers to my questions. 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:59.440 And I always ask: are you ready to hear the answers? You have to be 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:07.240 prepared for it. There is so much wisdom in these healing plants, in psilocybin, in the mushrooms, that it really can 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.540 deliver the answers to all your questions. 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:18.900 But you have to be ready for that. Not everyone is. You mentioned ayahuasca. There was a period in my life when 00:11:18.900 --> 00:11:26.300 — I don't know if it was a thirties crisis or what happened to me — I started asking questions about 00:11:26.300 --> 00:11:34.780 what I'm living for, what my mission is. And I had this idea: I should try something like that, ayahuasca. 00:11:35.100 --> 00:11:41.380 I'd heard about ayahuasca. And when I started reading about it, I realised I wasn't ready. 00:11:41.380 --> 00:11:49.500 I didn't want to try it. I was ready to live through that thirties crisis, whatever it's called, 00:11:49.660 --> 00:11:57.340 but I wasn't ready to experiment on myself. I think it takes a certain kind of person, 00:11:57.340 --> 00:12:03.120 or some genuinely heavy circumstances that bring you to it. 00:12:03.640 --> 00:12:11.960 A hundred percent. That's why in our therapy we have the phrase set and setting. By set we mean mindset — we prepare 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.120 the person's mindset. And setting is the environment the therapy takes place in. 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:23.820 Those two things matter enormously. That's why my process with psilocybin 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:31.880 usually takes up to three months, and why I spend so much time on the preparation: 00:12:31.880 --> 00:12:38.040 preparing your brain, your thinking, your subconscious. We work through 00:12:38.040 --> 00:12:44.520 all the what-ifs. My job is to prepare you as thoroughly 00:12:44.640 --> 00:12:50.040 as possible, so the session goes smoothly. With positive results? 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:55.880 A hundred percent. And the results are always positive, however it may look at the time. 00:12:55.940 --> 00:13:00.460 Over the four to six hours the session lasts — in English there's 00:13:00.520 --> 00:13:06.040 that phrase, a bad trip. I always say there is no such thing as a bad trip. It's always good. 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:28.840 You can cry, you can sob, you can let go of everything that isn't yours — all your pain, all your blocks, you can release it. Yes, it can look very intense, and that's why I'm with you the whole way through. A session usually runs six to eight hours, and I sit with my client for all of it. 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.840 Are we talking about microdosing here — are those the results you get from microdosing? 00:13:33.900 --> 00:13:35.120 No, from macrodosing. 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:53.480 That's macrodosing, right. But today we're specifically on microdosing, so let's not drift. Let me ask this instead: what's the difference between ordinary antidepressants, when we feel we need them, and microdosing? 00:13:53.480 --> 00:14:03.900 Because listening to you, I got the impression microdosing works something like an antidepressant. What's the difference? 00:14:03.900 --> 00:14:12.840 That's a wonderful question. And I want to come back to your earlier one, 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:18.200 the one where you said you'd lost your train of thought. 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.240 Let me backtrack a little. 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:29.500 Let me explain the difference between psilocybin and antidepressants. 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:37.320 The biggest difference is that antidepressants simply put a lid on all your emotions. 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:43.640 Think about it: you as a person, your physical body, your subconscious — 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:47.060 we were born into this world to feel. 00:14:47.520 --> 00:14:54.140 We were born to feel love, tenderness, worry, sadness. 00:14:54.280 --> 00:15:01.720 Sadness is as good as joy. But in the world around us 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:08.240 we're taught it isn't good to be sad. Not good to be angry. Not good to run. 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:16.960 And so the antidepressants. The moment I start to feel sad, the moment I feel — oh, it's winter, there's no sun, 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:25.860 my energy is low. Okay, off I go to the doctor, and the doctor says: depression. Straight away they put the label on you, 00:15:25.860 --> 00:15:29.260 hand you the pills, and you go home. Yes, they do love doing that here. 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:34.960 And so all your emotions just get a lid put on them. 00:15:35.340 --> 00:15:40.300 When you work with psilocybin — microdosing, macrodosing — it's a completely different thing. 00:15:40.460 --> 00:15:48.920 This is the most important thing for anyone to understand, the biggest difference: psilocybin is not a narcotic. 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:53.840 Because a narcotic puts a lid on all your emotions, all your feelings. 00:15:54.360 --> 00:16:03.120 Psilocybin does the opposite: it brings everything up and makes you work through it, live through it. When you go 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:11.760 through something dark — like driving through a tunnel and seeing there's light ahead — that's therapy with psilocybin. 00:16:11.760 --> 00:16:19.260 You know there's light. But you have to walk through the dark yourself. And while you do, you're given the experience 00:16:19.260 --> 00:16:28.180 of how to live through that dark. And you start to really understand that this dark is part of your subconscious, part of your every day, 00:16:28.180 --> 00:16:34.460 part of being alive. And you start to love it the way you love the positive emotions and feelings. 00:16:34.460 --> 00:16:41.940 You start to understand that you're made of this. You're one whole. And you begin to love every side of yourself. 00:16:41.940 --> 00:16:50.120 There's no negative and positive here. It simply is. You look at it as yours, with love, with patience, 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:54.180 with compassion. With acceptance, more than anything. Yes, exactly. 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.360 It isn't bad or good, it just is. That's an enormous difference. 00:16:58.420 --> 00:17:03.360 An enormous difference between a narcotic substance and psilocybin. 00:17:03.560 --> 00:17:07.580 So it — was that about microdosing or macrodosing? 00:17:07.620 --> 00:17:14.000 Can you reach those results with microdosing? You can, of course, but it takes much longer. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:18.000 Usually the people who microdose — 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:25.380 microdosing is a small dose, somewhere between 50 and 300 milligrams. 00:17:25.940 --> 00:17:29.440 A macrodose is between three and five grams. 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:40.040 And when we do the big dose, three to five grams, we usually clear — I'd say — ten to fifteen years of trauma. 00:17:40.340 --> 00:17:48.800 You can go to a psychologist and spend ten or fifteen years on it, or you can sit down once 00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:57.000 and work through all of it in four to six hours. For me, listening to this, 00:17:57.080 --> 00:17:57.880 it looks like— 00:17:58.760 --> 00:18:06.800 I don't have the urge to do a macrodose yet. I probably don't have big traumas I'm desperate 00:18:06.800 --> 00:18:14.880 to work through. My interest is purely educational. The world is moving, this is becoming a trend, 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:22.820 you hear about it more every day. And you don't want to stand there like some old woman at the market going, oh, drugs, here we go. 00:18:23.220 --> 00:18:31.240 You want to know what's going on, so that in any conversation you know what to say, or can hold the conversation, 00:18:31.340 --> 00:18:36.560 or at least have some information. So thank you for educating us. 00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:44.000 The difference is more or less clear now. Next I'd like to move to the history. 00:18:44.740 --> 00:18:51.120 Where did all this start? Where do these mushrooms come from, how do they grow, who grows them? 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:56.160 All of that is interesting. They didn't just fall out of the sky. 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:04.120 If you're saying this isn't made in a laboratory, that these are natural mushrooms growing somewhere, 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:10.960 I want to know where it all came from. Yes, of course. And I think it's important for our listeners to touch on 00:19:11.040 --> 00:19:19.080 why mushrooms were labelled narcotics in the first place. Because a mushroom grows like a cabbage grows. 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.040 True. I love chanterelles. 00:19:24.040 --> 00:19:30.260 Pickled, preserved, all of that. Yes. I think this is important to cover. 00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:36.640 Honestly — if someone reads the Bible, or is into Buddhism, 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:44.900 even in Sanskrit many years ago. The use of psilocybin goes back thousands of years in our history. 00:19:44.900 --> 00:20:04.920 In Sanskrit, the drink that was taken with psilocybin had exactly the same name as the cell of our body. The drink containing psilocybin and the cell of our own body shared one name in Sanskrit. 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:25.520 So that's where it all begins. The way I see it, psilocybin was originally used to treat physical illness, particularly stomach and digestive problems. 00:20:25.520 --> 00:20:39.000 Then it was used in rituals, as a way to find more connection with something spiritual, to expand your spiritual development. 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:47.160 Today we use psilocybin not only to heal trauma, or to help 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:54.440 heal some trauma. Today, 99% of my clients experience 00:20:54.440 --> 00:21:03.280 a very large spiritual healing. Connecting with something 00:21:03.280 --> 00:21:11.660 infinite, eternal. Yes, with the infinite and eternal. But think about it: two thousand years ago we weren't surrounded by concrete buildings. 00:21:12.360 --> 00:21:18.700 People ran barefoot; they could always take that energy from the planet. 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:25.880 There were no mobile phones. People weren't so disconnected, so— From nature, yes. 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:32.480 They were reconnecting with nature. So they were constantly in a spiritually developed state. 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:41.900 Today, unfortunately, we aren't. Our system doesn't help us develop spiritually. If anything it puts up 00:21:41.900 --> 00:21:50.300 obstacles to it. Which is why every second client who comes to me 00:21:50.300 --> 00:21:58.020 has the same wish: I want to grow spiritually. So now we use psilocybin to grow spiritually. 00:21:58.020 --> 00:22:04.980 Before it was used as a treatment, as a herb. Now it's more 00:22:04.980 --> 00:22:13.660 an experience of something spiritual, where you start to understand that you are so much more than 00:22:13.660 --> 00:22:21.600 your physical body. And actually, Olya — sorry, while you're thinking of your next question — I think it's important to touch on 00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:28.420 why psilocybin was declared a narcotic and banned. Roughly around— 00:22:28.420 --> 00:22:35.940 the War on Drugs. That was a very famous campaign, in the 1960s, 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:43.700 when people found that mushrooms were accessible. You could grow them in your backyard, 00:22:43.820 --> 00:22:51.360 you could grow them in your garden. People had access. And once they started taking them, they began to 00:22:51.360 --> 00:23:00.060 associate — there was a lot of association with protests against the war, with the cultural split, with rejecting traditional 00:23:00.060 --> 00:23:08.000 values. Which of course didn't help our system, our government. It made our government very 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:15.420 frightened. Looking at all of it: people can think for themselves, they don't need to be told what to do. 00:23:15.780 --> 00:23:21.580 Suddenly you're not raising a flock of sheep that follows you around without asking questions. 00:23:21.860 --> 00:23:27.840 Because it starts with our school system, when we make our children sit for eight hours. 00:23:27.980 --> 00:23:35.480 Think about it — children physically are not able to sit for eight hours at school 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:43.360 and study. This whole system is built to make people simply follow, 00:23:43.360 --> 00:23:51.740 to move as one big crowd, without questions. We don't think for ourselves, our creativity isn't developed, our cognitive thinking isn't developed. 00:23:51.740 --> 00:23:59.600 We're producing a crowd. But when you start taking mushrooms — and this began in the 1960s — people started protesting 00:23:59.600 --> 00:24:07.940 and saying: no, I don't like the school system. No, I don't like the conventional medical system. I don't like these laws. They started voicing opinions. 00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:16.200 And so they were banned. Mushrooms were treated the same as LSD, MDMA, 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:23.260 ayahuasca, all the psychedelics. Written into the Controlled Substances Act, 00:24:23.260 --> 00:24:31.400 where they remain illegal to this day. Though I think there's 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:36.020 another side to it too. As you said, any procedure — with macrodosing, certainly, 00:24:36.360 --> 00:24:44.480 and microdosing, I'm not sure, I'll ask you in a moment — but macrodosing has to be supervised. 00:24:44.600 --> 00:24:53.520 You can't take something uncontrolled. In my understanding, with those same mushrooms — you go, you buy them, you take them, 00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:59.900 and you don't know what the outcome will be. You don't know the result, if you've never done it. And if some person happened to tell you 00:25:01.120 --> 00:25:06.220 take this much, whatever it is, then you're doing it entirely at your own risk. 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:15.240 What can that kind of uncontrolled use lead to? 00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:24.500 I don't recommend it, because if you don't know what you're doing, it's like — if you can't drive, don't get behind the wheel. 00:25:24.500 --> 00:25:26.260 That's a good comparison. Absolutely. Because even if you want to find protocols, if you want to look 00:25:27.060 --> 00:25:34.960 something up online, unfortunately 00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:44.440 our search results tell you these are drugs, and there's very little information. 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:52.460 So no, I don't recommend doing a large dose alone. It's preparation, serious preparation. When I work with clients it takes me 00:25:52.460 --> 00:26:00.820 a minimum of four hours to prepare someone. Three or four sessions of preparation, then the session itself, and then 00:26:00.820 --> 00:26:08.960 integration begins, which matters enormously to the whole thing. If you do this alone, you can genuinely 00:26:09.080 --> 00:26:16.660 develop trauma afterwards, because you don't know what you're doing. You don't know how the brain works, what the effect is, 00:26:16.660 --> 00:26:18.740 what happens at the receptors in the brain. When you truly have no knowledge, you can experience 00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:26.960 great fear and great trauma. 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:34.860 That's why I don't recommend it. Microdosing is quite different. With microdosing you can take it — that's the beauty of it, 00:26:34.860 --> 00:26:42.300 it's a small dose, you can take it daily. And it's written on the jar. There are various 00:26:42.300 --> 00:26:50.180 microdosing protocols. But the main thing is still integration. If a person doesn't know how to integrate 00:26:50.180 --> 00:26:55.780 it into daily life, again without a therapist, then they're just taking something 00:26:55.860 --> 00:27:00.080 and not understanding what's happening. As I said: it doesn't matter what car it is — if you can't drive it, don't get behind the wheel. 00:27:00.220 --> 00:27:06.380 Let's answer a question from one of our subscribers, because it worried me. 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:12.060 She writes: I have dried fly agaric. What dose should I start with, and what time of day is best? 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:16.100 I read it and I get genuinely frightened. Someone has fly agaric at home. 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:25.040 And the first question is: where did you even get it? 00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:32.240 That's the other question, yes. As a specialist, how would you answer about this dried fly agaric? 00:27:32.300 --> 00:27:36.480 So there are two questions. The dose, and the time of day. I'm curious about that too — why time of day? 00:27:36.600 --> 00:27:40.520 Is there a difference? Yes. No, there's definitely a difference. 00:27:42.820 --> 00:27:49.780 But first I'll say this: don't touch your fly agaric. 00:27:50.280 --> 00:27:57.720 Don't touch your fly agaric. When you don't understand what it is, what kind of mushroom it is, 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:02.300 or how it works — don't touch it. Give yourself the chance not to go through what 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:08.040 might happen. What can happen, let's say. Here's what can happen. 00:28:08.140 --> 00:28:15.740 So there are many of them. Many, yes, and we don't know. Second, where was that fly agaric grown and where was it bought? Because every 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:24.880 healing plant carries the energy of every person who touched it. 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:32.980 I always say mushrooms should be grown organically. They should be grown with a sound bath, 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:40.860 with sound— Oh my God! The mushrooms live better than I do! Yes. And the fewer people who touch them, the better. 00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:48.900 And they should be people who are genuinely spiritually developed. Because there is so much wisdom in this plant 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:56.600 that the energy of every person is simply passed on to you. So it matters a great deal where you buy it, who you get it from, 00:28:56.660 --> 00:29:04.580 and how it's grown. Exactly like going to the shop and looking at organic spinach versus non-organic spinach. It's the same thing. 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:12.320 It matters. All right, leaving aside where it was bought — what's the risk if, 00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:16.120 say, I've got fly agaric at home, I'm in a bad mood today, and I think, let me try it. 00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:19.880 What happens? Diarrhoea, vomiting? 00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:27.660 Usually if you just take one mushroom, and take it on an empty stomach, 00:29:27.780 --> 00:29:33.880 mushrooms tend to cause very unpleasant nausea. You can feel sick, you can vomit. 00:29:34.340 --> 00:29:41.900 Nausea, vomiting. Also not understanding how your own brain is working, because you're in an altered state of mind. 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:50.600 Hallucinations. Yes, you can have hallucinations. You can completely lose track of where you are and what's happening. Of course. 00:29:50.600 --> 00:29:59.480 From what I've heard from my own clients, across different experiences, some get very strong belching, 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:08.020 and sometimes even heartburn. That's the worst of it physically. And then trauma, of course, if you don't understand what you're doing 00:30:08.020 --> 00:30:16.220 and you don't understand the messages these healing plants give you. You can end up with very serious trauma. 00:30:16.220 --> 00:30:24.300 A lot of clients come to me who once ate mushrooms at some party, and were left with trauma, and they're frightened, 00:30:24.300 --> 00:30:31.380 because it was a very traumatic event. And mushrooms — I've just thought of a question. 00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:39.480 The ones for recreational use, and the ones for — how do I put it — for spiritual growth, let's call it that. 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.860 Are they the same mushrooms or different ones? 00:30:42.860 --> 00:31:06.980 Well, there are different mushrooms. The most popular one, I'd say, is Golden Teacher. It has a different energy — a mother's energy. It comes to you with tenderness, with care; it usually appears as a female figure. You feel that energy as coming from Mother Earth, very spiritual, and it supports you. 00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:14.840 There are others. The second very popular one is, say, Penis Envy. Very— Penis Envy? 00:31:15.280 --> 00:31:33.520 Yes. The name itself tells you it's a masculine energy, a bit harsher. I don't work with those mushrooms; I only work with Golden Teacher, because during a session that energy of love, tenderness and care matters enormously, and it usually comes through those particular mushrooms. 00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:39.680 So when someone takes them recreationally, they might take any of them, all of them. 00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:44.140 So they're the same mushrooms, just carrying different meaning — is that right? 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:53.240 Yes. But you see, I don't work recreationally, I don't support it, because it's exactly like valerian, say. 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.120 Valerian is a herb that calms the nervous system. 00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:00.300 You wouldn't drink valerian before going out to see friends. 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.820 Same thing here. This is a medicine. 00:32:02.820 --> 00:32:16.100 It's a medicine that truly heals, if we use it properly — with respect, with love, with trust, the way it was handed to us by our ancestors thousands of years ago, and without abusing it. 00:32:16.100 --> 00:32:21.420 If we need it, we treat ourselves. If we don't, we don't. That's logical, yes. 00:32:22.060 --> 00:32:26.900 You didn't answer my question about where mushrooms come from. Where do yours come from? 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:33.720 Where do you get them? Who produces them? Do you grow them yourself? If you're not comfortable, you don't have to answer, 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:37.760 you can say it's your own private information. 00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:44.460 I'll put it this way: I prefer a very clean product, organic. 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:51.620 In North America we love to mix everything with either sodium or sugar. 00:32:51.620 --> 00:32:59.740 There are a lot of products on the market — chocolate, gummies, sweets with mushrooms added. 00:32:59.740 --> 00:33:07.460 You do not need that sugar at all. I like a very clean organic product. Mine is grown especially for me 00:33:07.460 --> 00:33:14.920 by people who are spiritually developed, people who understand the connection, what these mushrooms are actually for. 00:33:15.060 --> 00:33:20.600 And I can assure you that we play sound baths to our mushrooms. 00:33:21.780 --> 00:33:26.960 Yes, I gathered — they grow under supervision, so to speak. 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:35.060 Now, another question, a purely legal one. Are there legal 00:33:35.060 --> 00:33:40.580 restrictions on magic mushrooms? Are they still considered illegal? 00:33:40.580 --> 00:33:44.320 I mean, now— Looking around, it seems you can find them somewhere. 00:33:44.320 --> 00:33:48.720 A woman here ran a workshop, handing out mushroom chocolates. 00:33:48.840 --> 00:33:57.360 I was surprised. Yes, well, in Vancouver we're fairly relaxed about it. Vancouver is a bit easy-going that way. 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:02.660 Things are opening up. And a great deal of funding is going 00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:10.440 into study and science right now — research, experiments. 00:34:10.580 --> 00:34:18.200 Johns Hopkins is working on it. The international association MAPS is working on it. There's a lot of research. 00:34:18.200 --> 00:34:26.120 A lot of it aimed at what we call alternative medicine. Which is interesting, because 00:34:26.120 --> 00:34:33.960 this really ought to be conventional medicine. 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:39.020 But we call it alternative. We have a lot of that — acupuncture is also considered alternative medicine, but really it's traditional. And everyone goes, and it helps everyone. 00:34:39.020 --> 00:34:55.800 Exactly. So a lot of effort and energy is going into it now. The University of Ottawa launched the first year of a master's degree in psychedelic studies — that's a big breakthrough. 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:03.800 In Utah — Utah is considered one of the biggest states for this. Canada is actually first in the world right now for research and development in psychedelics. 00:35:04.540 --> 00:35:13.300 A lot of schools are opening that train therapists. Utah, and Dallas, host very large conferences 00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:19.960 where you can genuinely get trained — or rather educate yourself in this field. 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.960 In the US, Oregon was the first state 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.360 where you can now open psychedelic clinics. 00:35:30.180 --> 00:35:37.200 Local ones. I wasn't surprised about Oregon, honestly — it's the mecca for this. So it's all slowly 00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:46.140 gaining momentum. And I'm sure that even where this information isn't available yet, more and more people will 00:35:46.140 --> 00:35:55.000 come to this kind of medicine. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, 00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:01.860 maybe a few more, we add mushrooms to acupuncture and herbal treatment. 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:09.800 There really are a lot of myths on this subject. Tell us the most common ones. 00:36:10.580 --> 00:36:15.360 Probably the most popular one is addiction. 00:36:15.820 --> 00:36:24.700 Oh yes, that's interesting — if this is classed as a narcotic, then presumably the question of addiction— 00:36:24.700 --> 00:36:53.700 I love this question. Because when I work with a client and I see how the healing process goes — going through trauma, very intensely, sometimes physically, sometimes emotionally — after a six or eight hour session a person walks out looking like they've been hit by a train. 00:36:54.700 --> 00:37:00.400 Yes, and now I'll ask you something. 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:07.020 Why does someone take drugs? I don't know, because I've never taken any narcotic substance myself. 00:37:07.740 --> 00:37:15.840 But I know drugs help you escape reality, and you start to feel good. 00:37:16.700 --> 00:37:22.820 I can't answer that either, because I'm equally far from drugs. 00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:30.580 I think the worst thing that can happen to a person is drug addiction. I've never once had the thought of trying it, 00:37:30.580 --> 00:37:37.980 so I don't even know what drugs do. I only know the bad side of them. 00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:41.380 Presumably if a person turns to drugs, 00:37:41.380 --> 00:37:49.580 it gives them some positive effect. Usually they're escaping reality. 00:37:49.580 --> 00:37:57.160 Drugs, alcohol dependence, drug dependence — as we say, 00:37:57.260 --> 00:38:05.560 Gabor Maté, I love his book, where he talks a great deal about trauma. He says addiction was never 00:38:05.560 --> 00:38:08.540 the problem. Addiction is always— 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.340 Addiction means dependency, yes? 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:18.760 Addiction, dependency, yes — it was always the solution to a problem. 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:27.780 When you take narcotic substances 00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:34.820 you're trying to run from your feelings, your emotions, from something in your past. You don't want to sit 00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:42.880 with all that unpleasant discomfort. You run from it. Psilocybin works the opposite way. It opens all of it up. 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:50.800 It opens things up. So if I asked a client — hey, want to try it again, 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:58.680 to feel good? — they usually look at me and say, there was nothing good about it, thank you. So there's no dependency as such, 00:38:58.680 --> 00:39:07.140 because you wouldn't even want to repeat the experience. When you go through it and you realise that in six to eight hours 00:39:07.140 --> 00:39:15.220 twenty years of trauma have gone. People do come back. Most of my clients come back again and again, because they understand how much 00:39:15.220 --> 00:39:23.160 it's worth. You can't buy this anywhere. But what trauma, if they're healed — why do they come back? Because there's a lot of 00:39:23.160 --> 00:39:27.180 trauma. Like you said to me today: I don't have any trauma. 00:39:27.220 --> 00:39:35.160 And I'm sitting there scratching my head thinking, everyone has trauma. We just don't know about it. We grew up in communist 00:39:35.160 --> 00:39:42.920 countries, in a completely different system. Believe me, there's a lot of trauma. Some of it stops you from living 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:50.700 and moving forward. And there are gentler, more accessible methods — psychotherapy, say, which can 00:39:50.700 --> 00:39:57.740 help. It's softer, and something that isn't a very large trauma can generally be healed 00:39:57.740 --> 00:40:04.840 through psychotherapy. But there are genuinely big traumas — a person who lived through 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:12.540 a death, a war, losing people close to them, some terrible illness. Things psychotherapy will not resolve in a few 00:40:12.540 --> 00:40:20.600 appointments. And in my case, thank God, nothing like that has happened, and I hope nothing will. 00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:28.620 So no, resorting to macrodosing hasn't crossed my mind. That's why I said I have no trauma — though of course 00:40:28.620 --> 00:40:36.680 everyone has their own quirks. As you said, we all came out of— Born in the USSR, I love that song, 00:40:37.180 --> 00:40:42.280 and we all came out of it, I think, with the very same traumas. 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:50.000 A hundred percent. I keep watching all these bloggers posting reels about it, and I laugh, 00:40:50.140 --> 00:40:57.980 and I think, God, how true this is. It's all served with humour, with laughter, but there's nothing funny about it really. 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:06.040 Sometimes it genuinely gets in the way of living. You know, when covid hit in 2020 and everyone ran out 00:41:06.040 --> 00:41:13.700 to buy toilet paper — I remember laughing. I didn't go either, because I thought our whole childhood happened without toilet paper. 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.160 True. We'll survive. 00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:23.400 Our backsides aren't as delicate as Canadian ones. You were first in that queue. 00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:28.360 Right — macrodosing is clear. Microdosing is not clear at all. 00:41:28.460 --> 00:41:33.760 Let's talk specifically about microdosing: what it's good for, what it actually is. 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:40.040 We more or less understand macrodosing now. But microdosing — how does it work? 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:46.260 Microdosing is usually considered 50 to 300 milligrams. 00:41:46.540 --> 00:41:53.880 You have to find what's called the sweet spot, the dose that genuinely suits you. There are different 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.620 schedules for taking it, different protocols. 00:41:57.980 --> 00:42:03.480 Again, I only recommend an organic product, clean, with nothing added. 00:42:04.040 --> 00:42:09.860 It very slowly changes the neuroplasticity of your brain. 00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:38.940 If you have elevated stress, a lot of anxiety, it helps your emotional state, improves it — greater awareness, connection to the body, higher productivity, more creativity. And of course microdosing works slowly on all the conditioning that has been set in you by culture, by systems. All of that gradually starts to fall away, 00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:45.180 so you can build and re-create your own thinking, starting from a blank page. 00:42:45.200 --> 00:42:53.120 I've heard about this, actually. Years ago I was talking with my sister and she said, have you heard, some guy decided 00:42:53.560 --> 00:42:58.840 to eat some mushroom and became a completely different person. 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:05.260 That they change you that much. There are some — I won't name them, it's probably frightening — 00:43:06.640 --> 00:43:11.140 mushrooms that completely change consciousness and you simply turn into another person. 00:43:11.180 --> 00:43:18.320 That exists too. But the work — I don't recommend giving it 100%, as in: I ate a mushroom and I'll change. 00:43:18.500 --> 00:43:27.220 That's what we call spiritual bypassing. You can't hand all your trust 00:43:27.220 --> 00:43:30.660 over to a mushroom. I'll eat this now and it will do all the work for me. 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.900 No, that isn't true. And what work, anyway? You never know how it will turn out. 00:43:34.900 --> 00:43:36.500 Which is why integration matters so much. 00:43:36.500 --> 00:43:48.500 After every session, even when you're microdosing, a small dose, integration matters. With a macrodose we start with preparation, then the session, and then integration begins. 00:43:48.860 --> 00:43:57.300 So it isn't simple at all. No. Many people don't understand that integration is 99% of the work you have to do. If you don't do that work, 00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:04.580 you end up with spiritual bypassing. You can dress a certain way, wear the beads, 00:44:04.580 --> 00:44:12.040 eat organic food. But if you don't do the integration, if you don't grow spiritually— What is integration? 00:44:12.680 --> 00:44:20.300 Good question, what is integration. Integration is the process of understanding and applying the experience you had during 00:44:20.300 --> 00:44:29.100 the psychedelic journey — in everyday life. If some message 00:44:29.100 --> 00:44:36.860 is given to you through the healing plant, if during the experience you had in that 00:44:36.860 --> 00:44:44.760 session, in that therapy, a message came — you have to integrate it, you have to know how to integrate it. Integrate meaning? Into daily life. What does that mean? 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:53.260 Bring it in? Bring it in and keep going. Let me give you an example. Look at our brain: 00:44:53.260 --> 00:45:01.420 neurons that fire together wire together. Which is why 90% of 00:45:01.420 --> 00:45:10.080 our everyday life runs on the brain's default mode settings. We run on habit. I always say there's no such thing as a good habit, 00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:18.360 because if it's a habit, it's a bad habit — you're doing it unconsciously. And that's how we live. We do the same thing over and over, 00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:26.320 we think the same thing over and over. These fears — a fear is just a pattern in your brain that has built up over 00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:29.620 many, many years. Financial fears. Who doesn't have financial fears? 00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:38.140 I certainly do. You see, you'd be a good candidate for a macrodose — we'd work on financial fears together. Because 00:45:38.260 --> 00:45:43.980 it's a pattern in your brain that just keeps playing the same song. 00:45:44.660 --> 00:45:52.040 Those patterns, when you start microdosing or macrodosing, slowly begin to break up, and slowly 00:45:52.040 --> 00:45:56.200 a new pattern starts forming, where you begin to understand that you don't need to be afraid. 00:45:56.260 --> 00:45:59.640 But again, to create them — what do you have to do to create them? 00:45:59.640 --> 00:46:03.720 There are various methods. They don't just appear on their own, so it needs— 00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:09.340 Supporting, it needs supporting. But then— Sorry, I'm going quite deep here. 00:46:09.460 --> 00:46:17.800 So we're changing one awareness for another, but that also becomes a habit. It's changed for the awareness 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:21.920 that actually fits you at that moment, where you understand that— 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:26.200 It's a choice. You choose: where am I spending my energy? 00:46:26.300 --> 00:46:34.240 Am I spending it on fear, or on moving forward and not being afraid of anything? What will you choose? The choice is obvious. 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:34.740 Oxana. 00:46:37.420 --> 00:46:42.060 So you choose what genuinely fits you, and you support it. 00:46:42.180 --> 00:46:45.620 There are various methods. Every client is different: some do yoga, 00:46:45.620 --> 00:47:05.560 some do mindfulness, some meditate, some do breathwork. Keeping a journal, writing it down, spending time in nature barefoot so you can connect with the energy of nature, of Mother Earth. All of that is what integration means. 00:47:05.560 --> 00:47:13.140 Many of the messages that come from the healing plants during therapy have to be translated. 00:47:13.140 --> 00:47:21.160 But if you're working without a therapist — and even an ordinary psychologist, if you go and say, I had a session — 00:47:21.160 --> 00:47:29.900 they aren't across it, they don't know how to help. Which is why at our club we run free integration meetings. 00:47:29.900 --> 00:47:38.460 Once a week, on a Saturday, I help people integrate their experiences. 00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:47.000 It's an amazing session, genuinely amazing, because everyone shares — people come from everywhere, someone's just back from the Amazon after ayahuasca. Unfortunately there aren't 00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:51.400 enough therapists here who help with integration, and it matters enormously. 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:52.260 What do you mean, there aren't? What about you? 00:47:53.740 --> 00:47:54.540 There are few of us. 00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.160 So we educate people. Only me. 00:47:59.500 --> 00:48:03.240 You see, this is what I mean — you're so humble. 00:48:03.240 --> 00:48:06.820 That's the mushrooms' work, you know. Yes. 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:14.140 Integration really does matter. All the work happens once integration begins. 00:48:14.160 --> 00:48:22.440 Is microdosing taken in courses? In courses — you mean a schedule? Look, take vitamins as an example. 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:30.160 I recorded a podcast recently with Anya, our nutritionist, and with vitamin E, say, you take it 00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:38.380 in courses — a month, then you stop. What about microdosing? Well, when you work with healing plants 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:44.000 I always say every person's experience is as individual as a fingerprint. 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.320 It depends first of all on the task, on the goal. 00:48:48.460 --> 00:48:55.480 I always ask: what is your goal, what are you after, what do you want to get from this? So it's very individual? Very individual. 00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:01.840 Very individual. There are standard protocols — four days on, 00:49:02.240 --> 00:49:06.260 three days off, or one day on, one day off. 00:49:06.660 --> 00:49:14.220 And again, the big changes start in the time when you are not taking the mushrooms. 00:49:14.420 --> 00:49:17.160 When integration begins. On the dry days, presumably. 00:49:17.580 --> 00:49:24.140 Usually yes, there are courses — you can take it for 30 days, 60 days, then take a break. 00:49:24.820 --> 00:49:32.160 And you and I have an event in February. I wanted to ask what will— 00:49:32.160 --> 00:49:40.260 First we should advertise our event. Oxana and I are running an event on the 23rd of February. It will be 00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:47.940 a talk on— On microdosing. A talk on microdosing, and sound therapy as well. 00:49:48.060 --> 00:49:55.980 Tell us what will happen there, beyond the talk. In the podcast we've already answered 00:49:55.980 --> 00:50:02.040 a lot of questions, but in a podcast nobody can call in and say, I have this particular question. 00:50:02.160 --> 00:50:07.640 At the talk everyone will have the chance to ask their own question and speak with Oxana. 00:50:07.720 --> 00:50:15.020 But I specifically wanted to ask about the sound bowls. And as I understand it, this will be a practical session. 00:50:15.140 --> 00:50:20.040 So there'll be some kind of microdose. Tell us — I'm making this up as I go. 00:50:20.160 --> 00:50:23.840 Usually I talk for about forty, forty-five minutes, 00:50:24.700 --> 00:50:30.840 and give everything I know, all my experience: what microdosing is, 00:50:31.640 --> 00:50:39.900 what it's for, how it helps, how to take it. We talk about harm reduction, we talk about the science, 00:50:39.900 --> 00:50:48.300 we talk about protocols and about the benefits. Then, if people want to try a microdosing tea, 00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:56.820 they're welcome to. And then our Vika plays these wonderful sound bowls. 00:50:56.820 --> 00:51:05.780 Sound therapy, which genuinely heals through vibration, because our physical body 00:51:05.780 --> 00:51:13.520 is energy. Vika plays the bowls and it's usually a divine experience. 00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:22.240 People often say, wow, I've never been so relaxed in my life. So bring your questions. Bring cushions, a blanket. Bring a yoga mat. 00:51:22.240 --> 00:51:29.940 Bring your stress, your anxiety and your fears, because you'll be leaving all of it with us. That sounds wonderful, 00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:35.720 honestly, and I'll be taking part in it myself — I'm genuinely curious. 00:51:36.580 --> 00:51:43.880 I think we've answered all the many questions I had. My last 00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:49.780 question will be about side effects and contraindications. 00:51:51.660 --> 00:51:55.780 Well, yes — of course we need to know everything. 00:51:56.520 --> 00:52:03.940 That's an excellent question, a lot of people ask it, and I can genuinely give you 00:52:03.940 --> 00:52:12.920 the best answer: yes, the biggest side effect, the biggest change that happens, is that you 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:18.460 begin to live your life far better, far more fully, 00:52:19.580 --> 00:52:27.440 more happily. You value the small things — every breath, people, 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:35.600 love, care, tenderness. You're reborn, and you become so much 00:52:35.600 --> 00:52:44.540 a part of all of this, of this galaxy, of this world. That's probably the biggest 00:52:44.540 --> 00:52:53.480 effect I see: people start living a full life. But that's wonderful. It's wonderful. When my clients work 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:56.820 with me, that's all they see. 00:52:56.940 --> 00:53:01.940 A full life. Tell me the bad part. There is no bad part with me. 00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:04.320 No contraindications at all? 00:53:06.380 --> 00:53:08.720 Diabetes, high blood pressure? No. 00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:13.980 People come with diabetes, people come with high blood pressure. 00:53:14.240 --> 00:53:18.600 Thyroid, low iron. No, all of that is completely fine. 00:53:18.720 --> 00:53:24.280 People come and psilocybin works with it. So no, none at all. 00:53:24.380 --> 00:53:33.340 I'm telling you seriously: the biggest effect is that they start living a full life, and life changes only for the better. That's wonderful, and I think 00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:40.800 that's a beautiful note to end our podcast on. We've talked for a whole hour, and in that hour 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:47.060 of this talk, of our conversation, everything became clear and understandable to me. 00:53:47.300 --> 00:53:52.600 Thank you for putting it so plainly. Your wonderful Russian. My clumsy Russian. 00:53:52.600 --> 00:53:57.160 How do I say it in Russian — and you managed it all beautifully. 00:53:57.740 --> 00:54:01.960 I'm sure we'll meet for another podcast. 00:54:02.100 --> 00:54:08.020 We'll look at you as a person, at all your achievements, because we could talk about those endlessly. 00:54:08.740 --> 00:54:15.000 Thank you for the information. I'm already looking forward to our meeting on the 23rd of February. 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.980 Lovely, I enjoyed this. Thank you so much, Olya. Come along, we'll be very glad to see you. 00:54:21.520 --> 00:54:27.100 Bring your questions with you. There you are, friends. If you still have questions, write to Oxana. 00:54:27.240 --> 00:54:34.380 I'll leave all the details in the description of this podcast. And thank you for the time you spent with us today. 00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:36.300 Bye for now, until next time!